"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance — that principle is contempt prior to investigation. "HERBERT SPENCER**
RARELY HAVE they seen a person who has thoroughly followed their path recover. Those who do recover are people who have recognized NA as a dangerous religious cult and will not completely give themselves to NA's sicko program. Their fellowship is constituted primarily of men and women who are constitutionally incapable of being honest. They are unfortunate. Although they have been brainwashed, they should still be held accountable for the behavior that has ruined so many lives. They are at fault; they were not born that way. They were systematically indoctrinated into believing that they are naturally incapable of grasping and developing a manner of living which demands rigorous honesty.
They were screwed the second they set foot into the church basement door. Most NA members suffer from grave emotional and mental disorders, the program requires that they believe that they will never recover, many of the people who leave NA have recovered in large part, due to their capacity to be honest.
Our stories disclose in a general way what We used to be like, what happened, and what We are like now. If You have decided You want to leave Narcotics Anonymous and are willing to go to any length to do it--then You are ready to take certain steps.
At some of these We delighted. We knew that We could find an easier, more rational way. And so We did. With all the earnestness at Our command, We encourage You to be fearless and thorough from the very start. Some of Us have tried to hold on to Our old NA ideas and the result was nil until We let go absolutely. Remember that We deal with Narcotics Anonymous -cunning, baffling, deceptive! Continuing to go to those twisted meetings was too much for Us. There is Only One Person who has the power to overcome addiction and move on with life--that One is You. May you find Yourself now!
Delusions and superstition had availed Us nothing. We stood at the turning point. We learned to protect and care for Ourselves with complete Self Determination. Here are the steps We took, which are encouraged as a procedure to deprogram Yourself:
1. We admitted We were "Not Powerless" over Drugs - that Our lives had become dominated by NA.
2. Came to understand that We were never as morally reprehensible as members of NA had led Us to believe.
3. Made a decision to turn and walk away from Narcotics Anonymous forever.
4. Made a scorching and fearless indictment against NA as an organization and it's individual members.
5. Admitted to Ourselves and another Human Being that We had been conned into joining a religious cult.
6. Were entirely ready to deprogram Ourselves from the self defeating rubbish We were taught at NA.
7. Educated Ourselves about cult indoctrination tactics in order that We may never fall into a similar trap again.
8. Made a list of all NA cult members who had harmed Us, and became willing to confront them all.
9. Called such people on their bullshit wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
10. Continued to indict Narcotics Anonymous and when we were wronged promptly admitted it.
11. Sought through scientific principles, empirical evidence, and Self Determination to improve our understanding of addiction; focusing on a rational understanding of Ourselves as the power to carry that out.
12. Having been awakened from NA's trance as the result of these steps, We tried to carry this message to the world, so that everyone might know the truth about the Narcotics Anonymous religious cult.
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Wow that was great to read. I have further evidence now that I am not CRAZY and that I have made the right choice and decision to get away from the cult that had me entrapped for over 20 years. Glad to be free. Thanks. Katt
South Park
Bloody Mary
Season 9, Episode 14, Aired 12/7/05 by far the very best example of the mindset created by 12 Step programs.
The new Pope Benedict XVI comes to investigate, and discovers that the blood is not actually coming from the statue's anus, but its vagina. Since "chicks bleed out their vaginas all the time", this is no miracle (despite the fact that the statue is actually bleeding in the first place), and Randy, realizing this, suddenly realizes God did not heal him. He at first declares himself powerless again, and all the other recovering alcoholics follow suit and rush to the bar. Stan then makes him realize that if God did not help him, he must have done it himself. Randy then declares that he will never drink again, but Stan objects to this too, saying that if Randy completely avoids drinking, drinking is still controlling his life, and that true discipline is figuring out how to live in moderation. Randy then puts Stan on his shoulders and walks home while the two discuss how much drinking would be proper.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Mary_(South_Park)
Yeah I'm a member of NA now and I'm starting to think its a cult. I've been brainwashed that I can't live my life without NA and it's hard to see my life without it but honestly my life on drugs was less pain shame guilt and drama then what I experience in NA.
just ask them how do you measure spirituality? i like when they say it's spiritual and then say "do the steps or die"...don't go back to abusing drugs but definitely stay away from the program. ask them where they got their counseling degrees from...
i have been going to NA meetings for about two months now- whilst it did help me to a certain extent it also confused me and rocked my mental health sometimes- so ive decided that if i want to get better and if i want good mental health i shouldnt go to them any more. at first the literature reading seemed ok as it gave people a chance to speak and read aloud but then i found the repetition relentless. if you keep repeating someones writings over and over again then this turns to indoctrination- as its only ever a personal opinion and comes from the bias of the writer. it quite simply is not good to keep repeating the same message. i also found the atmosophere intense- and after having mental health problems thorugh drugs i needed therapy, normality and routine. to hear someone rambling about their higher power and what step they are focussing on just made me mentally feel sick. al of that effort- when they could have studied a skill and learnt something- and thorugh doing that they might have had a clearer head. a spiritual way of thinking is good- but it needs balance. NA talks about a disease but its own program fosters the continuation of this disease because it goes over and over old ground. to become normal you have to feel normal and surround yourself with normal stuff. the steps might be a useful guide but you shouldnt cling onto some steps and use it for a vehicle to enable you to talk to people- its another crutch. I also found a lot of the people that went to NA werent very honest- they talked about the love that is in the rooms.....and what a wonderful fellowship it was- but it was hard work getting anyone to talk to outside of the meetings or to get support through a phone call. people were basically self interested dressed up in this fellow ship guise. so i have come to the conclusion i am better off spending evenings on my own or doing other things unrelated to addiction. my mum was a chronic alcoholic and AA saved her life and helped her to stop drinking- but once she stopped and could stay sober she left AA and didnt go back. that was because she wanted to move on- those that stay are simply not willing to go into full recovery- which means leaving a life that is based on drugs. getting clean and staying clean comes from the heart- and when people say "i need to come to a meeting or i would use" when theyve been clean for years is simply a load of old rubbish- and as an organisation it encourages people to talk rubbish. sitting in a room full of addicts just means sickness is able to breed upon sickness. we need to surround ourselves with well and health people sometimes.
Cults tend to demand money from their members. NA barely asks.
Cults tend to have flamboyant leaders. NA has leaders who selflessly serve.
You clearly don't know what a cult is.
NA is a cult because it tells its members they need NA, not inner strength or discipline. My best friend is in NA, and his husband is REALLY in NA. His husband basically demands they both avoid anyone who isnt a 12 stepper. All they do is attend meetings. They wont even go out to the movies or come over for dinner because if they arent in a meeting, they're meeting with other 12 steppers. I mentioned therapy to them, and the idea was scoffed at (meetings were enough). That Right there shows a cult-like mentality, because unlike in therapy where the emphasis is on you and what makes you tick (without judgment) the emohasis is on the group and what IT thinks of you.
It's true. I stopped drugs in those rooms but didn't recover from addiction until I left. I also found it hard to walk away. I was fearful because I was told to believe I would die leaving the rooms. That I would use. I finally got tired of the hypocrisy in the rooms. NA was harming me near the end because I couldn't pretend I was doing wonderful and when I mentioned this, people would tell me I'm not doing the program and whenever I was honest about what I felt, I would be judged and told how they did it and what I need to do. I tried the fake it til you make it... What's that mean?? Fake it til you believe it?? 3 years I have left NA and my life has changed drastically. I took CBT and mindfulness. Within 8 weeks, I was happier and felt at peace. NA says there is no known cure, I am proof there is. I was living on the streets for over 10years and have been addicted to drugs since I was 8 years old. I have been freed. NA helped stop me using but didn't save me. I wanted more than just not using and still have that emotional disease attached with it. I discovered how to arrest that and found a life that is not tied up with meetings after meetings and service work. Relying all my time going to all these events just to stay clean. I now live a full life free of NA. I am truly much happier and at peace.
yeah I was thinking about this other day-you feel so much better once your gone-the meetings are like communist self-criticism sessions, no matter what happens you're always "wrong"-the chanting the slogans-it's a good place to start if you wanna get clean-but if you're still there after a year you're probably mentally ill-when they say they have 20 years clean, congratulate them on their teeth-that's a long time without the dentist-unless they're lying-or they think that the dentist doesn't count because they can handle it cos they're anointed-
Quite possibly the most self righteous rant I've read about fellowships in my lifetime.
Not only have you completely butchered N.A literature but you haven't been able to come up with anything that resembles original thought.
N.A is the absolute opposite of a cult. As I am sure you know, N.A is completely self supporting declining outside contributions. It has NO leaders or figureheads. Those with the most power are the groups, running autonomously.
If you are going to slot N.A into pigeon hole for the benefit of your own ego, try Community Development.
It is run by members for members and members are encouraged to facilitate meetings and empower themselves to improve their lives and the community they live in.
The key stakeholders are the members themselves.
I have personally had 15 years experience with N.A and while individual members can be.. painful at times, they're behaviour is not the NA message.
The message is that an addict, any addict, can lose the desire to use and find a new way to live.
What organization really fits the definition of a cult?? The Catholic Church. Indeed.
coming up with something that resembles an original thought must be a copy of an "original" thought correct? how else could you compare? ideology is a false consciousness and counterfeit life requires pseudo-justification. NA is for people that don't like the food at hare Krishna and can't afford scientology.
My sister has been in NA for years. She was an abuser of alcohol, not drugs, but she went over to NA because it had younger people like her. They refer to anyone outside of NA as a "normie" (note the otherness of that distinction), and my sister has gone through numerous sponsors who told her she was shit, countless NA boyfriends who have used and abused her, and various 12-step writings (it seems she goes through the same 12 steps endlessly, forever writing about each one). I feel that this group has led her to hang on to her past, forever relive it with shame, and has rendered her incapable of truly ever recovering and moving on with her life. Of course I want her to be happy and healthy, but she now looks down her nose at anyone who drinks, and cannot be in the same room with so much as a bottle of beer (she didn't even drink beer). Her judgmental behavior makes me feel a though I have to "hide" it when I want a refreshment - and I barely drink! I've been to a few meetings with her, and the procedure does run like a church service - opening readings, chants, and sacred literature. The biggest parallel between NA and organized religion is the message that you are inherently flawed and forever be as such, and you will always need the organization to set you on the straight and narrow - that strength will never come from within yourself.
I have been In NA for seven months. I have remained clean and sober the entire time. For the twelve years prior, my clean time was almost non existent despite many attempts. The community, the camp outs, the yearly conference have all been great experiences. NA helped me get out of my shell and learn to live clean and sober. This being said, i cringe whenever I hear about god, or a higher power, or the ever so important 12 steps or that I need a sponsor and that I need to join a home group. It is strongly implied that if one doesn't follow these instructions, they are more likely to relapse. I don't buy it. Despite the mention of god in the twelve steps and in the literature, every meeting ends with the included phrase "This is a simple, spiritual, non religious program. This program is helpful for connecting, communicating and spending time with other addicts. Beyond that, I am taking steps with medical professionals to address the biochemical imbalances and other health concerns related to my addiction that the NA program simply cannot address. This does not discount the positive experiences I have had in the program. I always thought it to be a no brainer that NA is not a medical institution. It is certainly not a cult. My experiences with AA were overwhelmingly unpleasant and I will never involve myself with that miserable scene ever again. That program also isn't a cult but its close to a pushy, defeatist religion.
Na destroyed my life, not drugs. I won't say its a cult, because it doesn't matter what you call it, but it is damaging to ones self esteem. I entered Na with never having tried hard drugs. I was a vulnerable 21 year old who was overly responsible and had just started going to parties in college, becoming a normal college kid. I had never been around hard drugs or drug addicts. I had top honors in school, a fiancé, a nice car, no debt, a few good friends, but liked the way weed made me feel and my brother did drugs and was sent to a rehab where he was introduced to Na but didn't go himself and told me I could go check it out, he didn't know what it's really like in the rooms. My first meeting I was welcomed, being a person who felt like she never fit in and came from a life of sexual abuse of 8 years, and a stage four cancer ordeal, broken down and unsure of who I was. I was told I ended to come back, feeling like this wasn't the place for me. I wished I listened to myself. I was asked questions like do u think about it, I said yes but not all the time. I did what I needed to do for school. I was a very hard worker. I was beat down with comments like shut up and listen, that I was selfish, that though I said I didn't fit the description of an addict, I had yets, meaning your eligible to. I was convinced I would die or become a worse addict if I left. I was told since I had a car I needed to do service work and give people rides. I was told that I was different, that I couldn't be around my old friends or people in school who drank or smoked which was most everyone. My college years were taken from me. I would feel so guilty even thinking about drinking or smoking weed and it tore me down. More than once they told me to quit school and go to treatment. I had people I drove around take me to crack houses and use in front of me and have it around, and forced to smoke crack the first time by a dealer. I spent my time around people complaining about problems and beating me down. I did go to treatments and my life slowly unwound, not using very often, never did. I could do it once and put it down but I was brainwashed, what I needed was the normalcy I had with school, my fiancé, my friends, taking care of myself. I wasted so many years, now about to be 28. I lost my fiancé, my graduate assists ship and spot in the program, got deep in debt to where I had no money when the radiation had caught up and I lost my teeth. Emotionally I was a mess and didn't know what was wrong with me that I wanted to drink and smoke with my friends from time to time. Now I have to start all over and it's overwhelming. I was used and abused in Na and will not go back as soon as my court is over with, which courts mandating pl to meetings makes it even more of an healthy place. It ruined my life. It is very damaging
You can get clean going to a garbage dump. You have to want to stay clean and have the open mindedness willingness and honesty . Work out, work hard & take pride in yourself . Stop hanging around will users & junkies , trust me you will stop.
I dont feel it is a cult. Fellowships offer a varitey of freedom and self expression..
HOWEVER, I attended AA/NA and even tried CA/HA for 6 years. I followed the advice of my predocessors and I was left fumbling, constantly. I would gain clean time and lose it. I tried and tried and tried and God, the most painful nights of my life were involving the guilt I had for not being able to kick the shit.
I believe that Fellowshippers BELIEVE it works for them. Hell, I cannot deny the amount of clean time I have seen people obtain.. But for me, when I stopped talking about all of the garbage in my life in the rooms, I became undeniably optimistic for the first time since going to the rooms. It doesn't work for me. I thank Higher Powers it works for some. It made me feel like a piece of dogshit with no self control to call myself an addict everyday. When I quit going, and quit identifying as an addict, I didnt feel so debilitated and I have a better life, mind, and spirit, now than ever.. I also dont have cravings ,obsessions, or any active addictions. I drink maybe once every two weeks. The rooms helped me gain some weight and be around a better crowd.
If it doesnt work if you work it, try to stop working it for a while. If it works, dont let anybody tell you otherwise.
Can someone help me? I do not understand the correlation between a 12 step fellowship and a cult. This post and its subsequent comments are just anecdotal fallacy. If someone could give me a comprehensive definition of a cult and its relationship to 12 step fellowships.
Well said
I have a very similar story to everyone else. I do believe that NA gave me something to stay away from mind altering substances ... for a while :-) And then, I had an awakening. I was living my life in fear of betraying the steps (and in the process, myself). It turns out that what I really needed was some insight to myself! Some REAL insight, not just 'this is what addicts are, this is what you do to stop being an addict'.
My step father is in AA and took me to my first NA meeting ... He is a VERY sick man :-| AA has not changed this, it has just given him an armour of righteousness (in his eyes) and this in turn encourages him to be a vile human being without consequence. He is waiting for me to fail, I know he is, but I won't :-) because I have so much more in my OWN armoury now. Things that I have put in place myself which don’t relate in the slightest to the Steps. For example, I have cut said step-father out of my life, as well as my mother (and that I believe was the most significant difference between being abstinent and being in recovery). I have made myself available to do good works in my community, not NA related (to feel useful and fill my time with something other than a doctrine). I am educating myself, going to college. I am also working very hard in a caring profession.
It has taken me a long time, I was in NA for 7 years roughly before admitting to myself, and another person that I had a problem. I was addicted to NA!!! I stepped away, took responsibility, ceased to be afraid and removed myself from the rhetoric. I now have a flourishing relationship with my children again (something that didn't happen while I handed my will over to NA) and am enjoying my life in a much more controlled and aware manner. This next part I have taken directly from a previous post as I feel it describes how I found things perfectly! ‘When I quit going, and quit identifying as an addict, I didn't feel so debilitated and I have a better life, mind, and spirit, now than ever’.
Abstinence and recovery are two different things, this is something which I don’t think is recognised. I was not using any substances while in NA but there was no recovery. I was utterly stuck!!
I’ll stop rambling now but I wanted people to know what a great gift we are given, don’t hand your will over to others and expect things to improve. You may be drug free but is your life your own? It is said that NA is a spiritual programme but I believe anything which uses god’s name, is religious, end of story. And AA!! Do NOT get me started on AA!! For one, they hate drug addicts and see them as a different species which means that when there wasn't an NA meeting on and I had to go to an AA … Well, they made me feel like dirt!!! . Also, their meetings are packed FULL of god!!! No ambiguous spirituality there!!
Thanks for letting me rant :-)
x
You clearly never been to NA. It's OK to use the program if it helps. But dont get to close it will trap you. And be careful they will brainwash you. And tell you you can't function without them. The focus is talking about all the bad things you did. Over and over and over. It's not healthy.
Ty! I was about to go insane reading these posts. I don't even know why I'm reading this.
Ty! I was about to go insane reading these posts. I don't even know why I'm reading this.
It's been a few months an still no one has given me a rebuttal.
Na is a cult ive done both tc and 12 step decided to go for a gander and i wanted no part of it its their way only and they cant fathom choice its me who has my personal power not the groups not a higher power i feel there all self obsessed and people who are years in at the groups are still seriously ill its ashame really the minnesota model changed it all money youve got a disease our way is the only way its bull shit
Na is a cult ive done both tc and 12 step decided to go for a gander and i wanted no part of it its their way only and they cant fathom choice its me who has my personal power not the groups not a higher power i feel there all self obsessed and people who are years in at the groups are still seriously ill its ashame really the minnesota model changed it all money youve got a disease our way is the only way its bull shit
Clearly you have no concept of the actual program. Sorry that you took only negativity from it. Maybe you should take a look at that.
This has no punctuation. No one knows what you are trying to say.
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Hi there I am in n.a it been 7 months. At the beginning I was real happy drugs left what a miracle. But for the rest months I ve been praying god set me free from that program. I can relate to someof the stories above. Since I have a good job which I had before ,n.a now people from there expect me to take them to restaraunts and all. The always claim broke when they see me lot of self pity people. I just started a healthy relationship which they believe it too early . I seem to see most of them have replaced drugs with a program it like they brainwashed.
Georgejarkoo, you clearly have read nothing on cult indoctrination tactics.
You're brainwashed lol
Bc ur starting to open ur eyes for the first time. Something bigger than u drew u to this sight.
Yes!! To all you just said. You do the opening readings and they shout the same autopilot responses, "Hold on, keep coming back,it works if you work it!" The suggestions, principles, steps, and their precious basic text and now the living clean book. I don't find any of it to be truthful and it is one size fits all. I don't fit that cuz yes I am an addict but not anywhere near the same as all these NA members. I only do prescription pills and can go without using for weeks to months at a time. I don't steal I don't sell myself and I am an atheist. So there's just sooo much I dislike about these 12 step programs they try to brainwash ppl into thinking you'll need for the rest of your life. I hope you and your sister are doing well.
It's a cult I'm leaving after 11 years and I wish I had left sooner. There are gurus and people with the mental capacity of children sponsoring other people and I'm so tired of the guilt of " oh no you must not be going to meetings" or working your steps!!!! It makes you feel guilt and shAne for not living up to a standard of perfection. They brainwash you into thinking that you can't make it on your own
http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm
That pretty much sums it up. it is a cult for me and guess what you can argue till your blue in the face but it doesn't matter I feel so much better not having to justify why I can't do mtgs regularly because I raise two daughters. Or do service work or that I don't trust one person in the rooms with my fifth step. They shame and they use guilt and it has been 11 years of my life that I handed over to them freely. But no more
29 year member twelve-step process what we base it on 12 other principles the traditions. We never had here too to what they want say what they want take what they want. I feel like a cult so meeting, self-righteous recovering addicts Professional Service workers. Supplement their income what is stagnated never moves on
29 year member twelve-step process what we base it on 12 other principles the traditions. We never had here too to what they want say what they want take what they want. I feel like a cult so meeting, self-righteous recovering addicts Professional Service workers. Supplement their income what is stagnated never moves on
Damn...sounds like you need a meeting!
I have been going almost a year and I believe they do try to Brain wash you to feel like you were some piece of shit! Some people truly are! And yes you do have to face your sins. Not everything is forgivable in life! I am walking away soon. These people are not professionals in addiction and mental health. And finally no true support from members. Some of the literature is garbage. I've warned some young ladies watch whom you associate with. Some are nut jobs.
Hmm.. If the results of all of these people dogging and discarding the program as cult-like organization were posted years later I wonder what that would look like?Complete Unmanageability in their lives? Inability to accept personal responsibility? Maybe y'all stayed clean or maybe not.let's take a look at the fact that you took the time to Google something negative like"arguments against NA" and r3ad through the article. It tickled your ego because it took something meaningful to the people in the fellowship that you had a bad experience in and twisted it into something humourous to someone with disdain and resentment in their hearts. So you went ahead and posted your negative experience.
Now that's a lot of effort for someone with a rational bias that's enigmatic of the overall experience isn't it?
Keep coming back folks.
I hate that horrible program and the jerks who frequent those meetings. Without going into detail sufficed to say I've learned that I was constantly relapsing because I bought into that cult"s lies. Once I realized I no longer have to try to live up the Narcotic Anonymous"s ridiculous standards somehow the urge or compulsion to use appears to have been lifted. lol f*** that cult!
Absolutely I concur
People affected by drug's, alcohol, have been very selfish in their needs. For people whom have years up in sobriety. One main reason, they continue with ongoing meetings, is to give back what was given to them. Helping newcomers. I agree, some long term members get addicted to recovery meetings as well. It much better way to live. Than what life, they did before. It does take some few years in recovery, to learn more than just being Clean for a duration of time. A lot of members in recovery groups, can be very annoying, big egos. Think they know everything. This can help me deal with tolerance, of people and also dealing with people better on the outside. It is there for those who want. It helped saved my life but also remember. It is part of recovery. I recommend but also one to one professional counseling and any other you may find. I rather put up with arseholes in recovery meetings, than finally spiral back to my old way of living in hell. Hang in there.
A cult, is short for word culture. Meaning culture of people. If I am part of a cult. It is OK.
Some interesting and absolutely fascinating observations about Narcotics Anonymous here.
I am a 29+ yr self-proclaimed member of NA. I have 25+ yrs of clean time.
Narcotics Anonymous may not be the right fit for everybody. I have friends who started out in NA and left within a short time. They are still clean, sometimes even saying "clean" at times, and they NEVER go to meetings or anything NA. They are still my friends, and altho' I sometimes invite them to my celebrations, I never push it or their lack of attendance in the fellowship.
NA has not made me perfect, either in my living a program of recovery or life in general. I am a human being, I fuck up. I shrug, and move on.
I never tell other members what to do or say, what or how to think. All I do is tell them what worked for me in whatever situation worked for me. I don't even suggest that they try what I did. THAT is entirely up to them. And if I have no experience with their issues, I tell them "Maybe you should ask someone else, 'cause I just don't know".
The 12 Steps of NA? Worked for me. Do I tell others they have to do the Steps? No. Do I suggest they do the Steps and meetings and service and so on, ad nauseum? Never. But. I continually tell members about my experience in all that, what worked and what didn't.
Is Narcotics Anonymous a cult? For me, no. But then, I never allowed some of the insanity I see & have seen in the rooms overly affect my own personal recovery. I can see after reading some of the comments here that many do honestly believe NA is a Cult. Capital C. And I can understand why they believe it to be true. Good for you! YOU need to find your own path in life to stay sane and functional and honest. If NA ain't for you, I wish you well in your travels. Be it in a 12 step program or wherever. Life will still carry on.
Oh, yeah, I do not believe in a God, or a higher power as repeatedly described in NA lit. I guess if you pushed me, I'd say my higher power is the recovery I learned in NA.
But hey, wtf do I know, hm? I'm just a brain-washed fool who is happy with his life today!!
It's not a cult. You're free to leave anytime you want if you don't like it. You're not forced to change your whole life. You're not forced to work the steps. You're not forced to attend meetings. You're not forced to do anything you don't want to. It's a program of complete freedom. Our message is strong and powerful because it's simple. You can lie all you want about NA but the only truth is that WE DO RECOVER in NA.
"Find a new way to live" should consist of more than just seeking validation and a pat on the back at meetings. Oh, and feeling like a victim no matter how much positive action I put into my life now.
What makes it a cult is not the tools that it's helped teach me in order to life a better life than I had, but the fact that I need to bounce practically any decision in my life with my others as "I'm powerless and that my life is unmanageable"... how can a person never be cured, but can make progress and eventually be "restored to sanity"? It's nothing more than a fear mongering, carrot dangling cult. It worked miracles in my life when I was broken but I need to get out of it before I sign the rest of my life over to the organisation that saved my life through "quilted obligation".
Hi. I want to share my experience.
I spend half a year in NA and few month in AA. They really damage my mental health and physical well being.
I have psychological degree and keep learning and in one point figure out that there are lot of people with narcissistic personality disorder, psychopaths and borderline personal disorder. That's when I stopped going to AA and NA and starts working with psychotherapist.
In my opinion if you don't have narcissism, psychopathy or borderline disorder it's better to stay away from that kind of organizations, because there you will spend most time with very abusive and sick people who will never change. Read some materials on psychopathy, narcissism, borderline disorder, find some tests on this disorders,, read about cults and how they brainwash people and then make your decision.
Good luck!
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